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livewirecs
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captain matt wrote:CabinGirl wrote:Secondhand smoke can kill.
That is not a fact. It's a theroy.
Actually it is a fact:
A recent study shows that just thirty minutes inhaling secondhand smoke can lead to a heart attack if you have risk factors for heart disease.
www.secondhandsmokekills.com
Let's flip this around and say they banned drinking from inside bars but not smoking. Let's just say it was MR ED'S SMOKING PIT. It would make perfect sense that we (non smokers) would expect smoking to come from a place where that is what they served. We would all step outside and have a drink right? (These would have to be drinks that we brought with us in a pack in our pockets, cause its a establishment whos main service is serving cigs...let's just say we have big pockets
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But this is MR ED'S BAR where the biz is drinking. Alcohol is what they serve and that is the biz they are in. I come to get a drink, not secondhand smoke. So if YOU bring a pack of cigs that belong to YOU and YOU need step outside to smoke it, YOU should not have a big problem with this.
If I brought air freshener that smelled like a dead animal and went into MR ED'S BAR and started spraying that everywhere I'm sure you would complain and try to get ME to stop or get thrown out. You wouldn't leave to find a bar that I wasn't spraying it in.
All in all, it's really not that big of a deal.I don't care either way I am just on this board passing time waiting to come up to the bay....smoking or not
but it is nice to know I won't smell like smokes after a night out.
With that, I look forward to seeing everyone up there and drinking a beer with ya! Who knows...I might even light the cig fo you after a few shots WOOOOOO!
PIB
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Mister Kay
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Just leave us alone and let us live our lives.
I don't get why the government is so concerned with me living to be 110.
I want a fatty hamburger from McDonalds, with a large order of french fries cooked in pure fat, I want to wash it down with a coke.
Then I want a cigerette and a few beers.
Is that too much to ask for? Is it really hurting everyone???
I don't get why the government is so concerned with me living to be 110.
I want a fatty hamburger from McDonalds, with a large order of french fries cooked in pure fat, I want to wash it down with a coke.
Then I want a cigerette and a few beers.
Is that too much to ask for? Is it really hurting everyone???
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livewirecs
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Mister Kay wrote:Just leave us alone and let us live our lives.
I don't get why the government is so concerned with me living to be 110.
I want a fatty hamburger from McDonalds, with a large order of french fries cooked in pure fat, I want to wash it down with a coke.
Then I want a cigerette and a few beers.
Is that too much to ask for? Is it really hurting everyone???
LOL
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I have to say that I am very happy since the ban passed when it comes to going out to dinner to a restaurant/bar. There is nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal with my kids and someone in the next "section" is smoking like a chimney. I once heard a comedian say " a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool". Same water, same air. Florida's law is that if an establishment makes more than 30% of it's revenue on food than smoking is not allowed at all. I completely agree with that.
You mean his/her premises right Matt Little levity...
Good points guys. I guess I'm not up on all the owning public places rights...where do you draw the line? Restaurants/bars are different than private residences because you invite the public in right? Or no? I'm just kinda thinking out loud here. You can't deny someone entrance/service because of their race so that is a law that owners have to abide by eh? A very good law in my opinion. That gives the public at least some rights there.
I do see the point to have smoking and non-smoking establishments. I'm for the right of choosing. But if most people didn't want this, they would have voted it down. I guess we did choose.
Little levity...
Good points guys. I guess I'm not up on all the owning public places rights...where do you draw the line? Restaurants/bars are different than private residences because you invite the public in right? Or no? I'm just kinda thinking out loud here. You can't deny someone entrance/service because of their race so that is a law that owners have to abide by eh? A very good law in my opinion. That gives the public at least some rights there.
I do see the point to have smoking and non-smoking establishments. I'm for the right of choosing. But if most people didn't want this, they would have voted it down. I guess we did choose.
If smoking did not make my eyes burn, my clothes stink, my skin stink, my hair stink, I wouldn't care. The truth is that the addictive drug is so powerful that smoker's don't care and try to convince themselves that it doesn't bother others. I believe that I have a right to go to a bar without being affected by the above factors. I was addicted to nicotine for 19 years. It can really play tricks on your thinking, at least it did mine. My parents smoked in house my whole life, therefore I had to go to school smelling like that and I didn't even realize it til I moved out at the age of 19. All ex-smokers I know hate the smell of smoke now more than I and said they didn't smell it when they smoked.
This is a touchy subject. I have alot of friends who smoke. One argument, maybe the best was that smoking in public was no worse than starting a car. That may be true, but if someone runs an exaust pipe in Mr. Ed's I'm gonna venture to guess business will decline. That's why I can deal with outside smoke (I just hate seeing cigarette butts all over the ground.)
This is a touchy subject. I have alot of friends who smoke. One argument, maybe the best was that smoking in public was no worse than starting a car. That may be true, but if someone runs an exaust pipe in Mr. Ed's I'm gonna venture to guess business will decline. That's why I can deal with outside smoke (I just hate seeing cigarette butts all over the ground.)
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CORN DOGS ARE WHERE I DRAW THE LINE!
TOTALLY UNECESSARY!
TOTALLY UNECESSARY!
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wow...I was just wondering if I could smoke in the bars still. I'm perfectly happy to take it outside. But still...
1. This was voted on so its not so much the government that really cares rather than the rest of the general public. Blame democracy instead of the government.
2. The "its private property" argument and "you can't tell people what to do on private property" doesn't apply. It may be privately owned but it's considered public domain and public health and saftey regulations apply. Legally, everyone does in fact have a right to enter a bar/restaurant assuming they are of age and not violating other laws (drunk, disorderly, carrying a firearm, etc).
Anyway, we can discuss over a beer and a smoke on the nearest patio at the bay!
1. This was voted on so its not so much the government that really cares rather than the rest of the general public. Blame democracy instead of the government.
2. The "its private property" argument and "you can't tell people what to do on private property" doesn't apply. It may be privately owned but it's considered public domain and public health and saftey regulations apply. Legally, everyone does in fact have a right to enter a bar/restaurant assuming they are of age and not violating other laws (drunk, disorderly, carrying a firearm, etc).
Anyway, we can discuss over a beer and a smoke on the nearest patio at the bay!
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TO ALL THE KIDS
WHO SURVIVED the
1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention,
the risks we took hitchhiking
As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because .
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAY ING !
!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day.
And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we
forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell
phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms.......
WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, [/color]
and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!
These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives
for our own good
And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.
Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!
WHO SURVIVED the
1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention,
the risks we took hitchhiking
As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because .
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAY ING !
!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day.
And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we
forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times,
we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell
phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms.......
WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, [/color]
and the worms did not live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,
made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!
These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives
for our own good
And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.
Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!
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freakin'hot
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My opinion: the smoking ban sucks.
But, I PIB-wise, I am concerned about congestion on the sidewalks what with tourists, bar-goers, and smokers. When the temperatures start to soar, so will tempers, and things will probably get ugly (ier?) than usual. It is an interesting social experiment, to be sure.
But, I PIB-wise, I am concerned about congestion on the sidewalks what with tourists, bar-goers, and smokers. When the temperatures start to soar, so will tempers, and things will probably get ugly (ier?) than usual. It is an interesting social experiment, to be sure.
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captain matt
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